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					<description><![CDATA[The great Tucker Flapdoodle: Adolf Hitler was misunderstood, we are told. He invaded Poland only because Chamberlain and Churchill forced him. He never wanted France, dropped peace leaflets on Britain. The Germans were baffled over what to do with millions of Russian POWs because Churchill kept fighting long enough to bring Stalin in. Then Churchill got America involved. Here we consider just one of these unique charges: that in his bloodlust, Churchill firebombed Germany's Black Forest. (We hadn't heard that one before.)]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>This article was first publsihed by the&nbsp; <a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/">Hillsdale College Churchill Project</a></strong></em><em><strong> as “Opium for the People: The Myth of Firebombing the Black Forest.” Ordinarily I reproduce only excerpts from my Hillsdale articles, but this subject involves serious allegations in need of correction. Accordingly, it appears below in entirety. To subscribe to weekly articles from Hillsdale/Churchill, <a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/native-american-forebears-myth/">click here</a>, scroll to bottom, and enter your email in the box “Stay in touch with us.” We never spam you and your identity remains a&nbsp;riddle wrapped in a&nbsp;mystery inside an enigma.</strong></em></p>
<h3><strong>Churchill as Mad Bomber (again)</strong></h3>
<p>The Internet bubbles again with that old time religion: Winston Churchill, graduate Germanophobe, ensured today’s troubled world by stubbornly refusing to stop fighting Hitler.</p>
<p>The idea is not new. Churchill’s sin was limned in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Neilson">Francis Neilson</a>’s <em>The Churchill Legend</em>&nbsp;(1954). Cambridge’s&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Cowling">Maurice Cowling</a>&nbsp;added&nbsp;<em>The Impact of Hitler</em>&nbsp;(1975)—enthusiastically endorsed by&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Clark">Alan Clark MP</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving">David Irving</a> portrayed the misunderstood Führer in <em>Churchill’s War</em> (1987).&nbsp;<a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/raico-libertarian-critique/">Ralph Raico</a>&nbsp;produced “Rethinking Churchill” (Mises Institute, 1990). John Charmley’s&nbsp;<em>Churchill: The End of Glory&nbsp;</em>(1993) channeled Cowling, within a thoughtful appraisal of Churchill’s whole career.&nbsp;<a href="https://richardlangworth.com/buchanan-unnecessary-war">Pat Buchanan</a>&nbsp;piled on with&nbsp;<em>Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War</em>&nbsp;(2008). Curiously, all these critics were from the right, where Churchill is often deemed to reside.</p>
<p>So the vision of Churchill as maximum villain is longstanding. What&nbsp;<em>is</em>&nbsp;new is its viral appearance in an interview by popular podcaster, Tucker Carlson, who has an unprecedented reach on YouTube and the worldwide web.</p>
<p>Adolf Hitler was just misunderstood, argues the “historian” interviewed. He only invaded Poland because Chamberlain and Churchill forced him. He never wanted to conquer France. No sooner had he done so than the Luftwaffe dropped peace leaflets on Britain. The Germans were baffled over what to do with millions of Russian prisoners because Churchill kept fighting long enough to bring <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin">Stalin</a>&nbsp;in. (Hence the death camps.) Then Churchill got America involved. The result was fifty million dead and fifty years of Cold War.</p>
<p>Pushback to this has been massive—most expertly by the historian <a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/churchill-cooper-ww2/">Victor Davis Hanson</a>.&nbsp;Here we consider just one of Cooper’s unique charges: that in his bloodlust, Churchill firebombed Germany’s Black Forest. (We hadn’t heard that one before.)</p>
<h3><strong>Black Forest redux</strong></h3>
<p>Everybody likes trees. Churchill himself said, “No one should ever cut one down without planting another.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1">1</a></sup>&nbsp;Inevitably, the charge that he wiped out a forest in a burst of impulsive firebombing tugs at the heartstrings. But did he?</p>
<p>To be scrupulously accurate, here is an exact transcription of the charge in question:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">[Churchill] was literally by 1940 sending firebomb fleets to go bomb the Black Forest, just to burn down sections of the Black Forest. Just rank terrorism, you know, just going through what eventually became saturation bombing, carpet bombing of civilian neighborhoods, you know, the purpose of which was to kill as many civilians as possible. And all the men, the fighting age men, were out in the field. So this was old people, women and children, and they were wiping these places out as gigantic-scale terrorist attacks, of a scale you’ve never seen in world history.</p>
<p>Get it? Nobody was left in the Black Forest but women, children and the aged. Winston Churchill was bent on wiping them out. Now let’s look at the facts.</p>
<h3><strong>Bombing “private property”</strong></h3>
<p>In mid-August 1939, Churchill and General&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Spears">Louis Spears</a>&nbsp;visited France as private Members of Parliament. Spears recalled: “We gazed across the Rhine at the immense&nbsp;Black Forest&nbsp;which, the French told us, was full of ammunition dumps. Loaded convoys were for ever driving into its depths and coming out empty.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2">2</a></sup></p>
<p>The Black Forest (<em>Schwarzwald</em>) in southwest Germany spans 2300 square miles (roughly 100 by 30). Rich in timber and ore deposits, it has been fortified since the 17th century. In 1939-40 it housed the&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberkommando_der_Wehrmacht">Wehrmacht High Command (OKW)</a>, Hitler’s headquarters after France surrendered.<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3">3</a></sup> So much for the vision of bucolic timberland populated by aged civilians, women, children and clockmakers.</p>
<p>When war began, General Spears and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Amery">Leopold Amery</a>&nbsp;urged Chamberlain’s Air Minister,&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsley_Wood">Sir Kingsley Wood</a>, to bomb Black Forest ammunition dumps. Amery, wrote Spears,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">was well aware that that vast wooded area was packed full of munitions and warlike stores. He suggested we should immediately drop incendiary bombs on to it. It had been a very dry summer, he pointed out, and the wood would burn easily, but the rain might come at any moment and a unique chance might be lost, probably for ever. Kingsley Wood turned down the suggestion with some asperity. “Are you aware it is private property?” he said. “Why, you will be asking me to bomb Essen next!”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4">4</a></sup></p>
<p>This, continued Spears, threw “astounding light on the mentality of Munichers [Chamberlain ministers] at war…” Woods’s “private property” remark was later quoted without elaboration by Harold Macmillan, William Manchester and Lynne Olson.<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn5" name="_ftnref5">5</a></sup></p>
<h3><strong>What Kingsley Wood actually said</strong></h3>
<p>Unlike the above writers, the historian John Charmley dug deeper: “In fact, Sir Kingsley actually told Amery that the Government would not bomb civilian areas for fear of alienating American opinion, which was a perfectly sensible answer; but any stick would do to beat the appeasers.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6">6</a></sup></p>
<p>Amery in his diaries&nbsp;<em>did</em>&nbsp;refer to Woods’s “private property” remark<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7">7</a></sup>. But Charmley had read further, and noticed that Amery had second thoughts:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">I think also mentioned the fact that they had munition dumps there, though my main argument was to deprive them of timber. I cannot remember whether [Sir Kingsley] spoke about it being private property, but if he did it may well have been in order to put me off the fact that the French were desperately anxious to have nothing to do with bombing till their own anti-aircraft defences were better…. What I do remember was that I was very indignant, for it seemed to me essential on moral grounds, if on no others, that we should try and do something to help the Poles.<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn8" name="_ftnref8">8</a></sup></p>
<p>Ah, the Poles! Remember them? Lost in the recent podcast was the fact that Poland was being systematically obliterated by Hitler’s Wehrmacht. Chamberlain had “guaranteed” the Poles—without military means to do so: a decision, Churchill wrote, “taken at the last possible moment and on the least satisfactory ground, which must surely lead to the slaughter of tens of millions of people.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn9" name="_ftnref9">9</a></sup></p>
<p>Amery’s sympathy for the Poles is perfectly understandable. If we were not present at that time, we should at least try to put ourselves into the shoes of those who were.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3365" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3365" style="width: 291px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><a href="https://richardlangworth.com/cherwell/1941lindemn-portal-cunghm" rel="attachment wp-att-3365"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="size-medium wp-image-3365" src="https://richardlangworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/1941Lindemn-Portal-Cunghm-291x300.jpg" alt="Black Forest" width="291" height="300" srcset="http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/1941Lindemn-Portal-Cunghm-291x300.jpg 291w, http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/1941Lindemn-Portal-Cunghm.jpg 500w" sizes="(max-width: 291px) 100vw, 291px"></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-3365" class="wp-caption-text">Lindemann, Air Marshal Portal, Admiral Cunningham and Churchill watching an antiaircraft gunnery exhibition, June 1941. (Imperial War Museum)</figcaption></figure>
<h3><strong>“Not how Churchill waged war”</strong></h3>
<p>Even with Churchill in the Chamberlain government, wrote the press baron&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Harmsworth_King">Cecil King</a>, there was little appetite for offense during 1939: “Many plans were debated—and rejected: floating mines down the Rhine; setting the Black Forest on fire; bombing Russian oil wells in Baku (to stop Hitler getting the oil); even sending an expeditionary force to aid the embattled Finns.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn10" name="_ftnref10">10</a></sup></p>
<p>The Chamberlain government’s reluctance, Charmley wrote, “was all part of the Allied strategy of sitting it out and waiting for Hitler either to collapse or to bang his head on the&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line">Maginot Line</a>. But this was not how Churchill waged war.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn11" name="_ftnref11">11</a></sup>&nbsp;Quite so.</p>
<p>Churchill replaced Chamberlain on 10 May 1940, and the change was palpable. Now they ignored no form of office. On 11 June, with France nearing collapse, the War Cabinet authorized an RAF attack on the Black Forest “with incendiary bombs.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn12" name="_ftnref12">12</a></sup> According to the Air Ministry, the object was “military stores standing in the open at arsenals and ammunition factories or supplies in open railway cars or trucks and similar objectives.” The enemy “concealed such targets in woods.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn13" name="_ftnref13">13</a></sup></p>
<p>A trial Black Forest raid on 30 June 1940 was a failure. Some incendiaries caught in the bomber’s slipstream and blew onto the tailpipe elevators, causing a fire. The damaged plane returned to base.</p>
<p>In “Operation Razzle,” 2-4 September, &nbsp;ten Wellingtons firebombed a few woodlands including the Black Forest—again without result. &nbsp;The timberland was “not easily ‘fired’ as its trees are mainly deciduous.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn14" name="_ftnref14">14</a></sup></p>
<p>This is what the recent podcast described as “firebomb fleets” causing “rank terrorism” in “civilian neighborhoods.”</p>
<figure id="attachment_18061" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-18061" style="width: 316px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="https://richardlangworth.com/firebombing-black-forest/screenshot-6" rel="attachment wp-att-18061"><img decoding="async" class="wp-image-18061" src="https://richardlangworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/1940Sep5DlySketch-251x300.jpg" alt="Black Forest" width="316" height="378" srcset="http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/1940Sep5DlySketch-251x300.jpg 251w, http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/1940Sep5DlySketch-225x270.jpg 225w, http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/1940Sep5DlySketch.jpg 694w" sizes="(max-width: 316px) 100vw, 316px"></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-18061" class="wp-caption-text">Overly optimistic, the Daily Sketch reported what proved to be the only, insignificant, raids on the Black Forest in Operation Razzle, 5 September 1940. (Wikimedia Commons)</figcaption></figure>
<h3><strong>Razzle abandoned</strong></h3>
<p>While British and American newspapers reported&nbsp;“mass firing”&nbsp;and&nbsp;“new secret weapons dropped in millions,” the reality was very different. In fact, noted Berlin LuftTerror,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">just a few fields had been burnt and that the fire didn’t spread much and as fast as desired following the first sorties. London quickly decided that&nbsp;<em>Razzle</em>&nbsp;did not possess war-winning potential, and was consigned to the ‘it was worth a try’ file.”<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn15" name="_ftnref15">15</a></sup></p>
<p>With the September threat of a German invasion of Britain, the bombers turned to targets on the Channel coast. A year later, Hitler’s invasion of Russia again prompted Churchill to “make hell while the sun shines.” Prodded by&nbsp;<a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/wells-churchills-great-contemporary/">H.G. Wells</a>, he inquired of&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Portal%2C_1st_Viscount_Portal_of_Hungerford">Air Marshal Portal</a>: “What is the position about bombing of the&nbsp;Black Forest&nbsp;this year? It ought to be possible to produce very fine results.”</p>
<p>This was the first time Churchill, rather than one of his colleagues, raised the question. It went nowhere. Portal reminded him of 1940’s failure—and that the Black Forest was over 400 miles from the Channel. Closer targets beckoned.<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn16" name="_ftnref16">16</a></sup></p>
<h3><strong>“Opium for the people”</strong></h3>
<p>So the fiery holocaust, the “fleets of bombers” over the&nbsp;<em>Schwarzfeld</em>, the maniacal burning of helpless women and children described by this podcast, never happened. Even the Air Ministry’s proclaimed objectives—“military stores, arsenals, ammunition factories, railway cars”—remained unmolested. Military targets are fair game in war; these remained untouched.</p>
<p>As Andrew Roberts and others comprehensively documented, this is not serious “history.” Permit me to quote a colleague who long ago dispelled similar falsehoods about <a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/churchill-knew-about-pearl-harbor/">Churchill and Pearl Harbor</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">Allow me to vent for a moment. The reason why this kind of nonsense passes for history is that standards for evidence have virtually disappeared. Not all evidence is equal and there is an obligation to weigh evidence against some reasonable standard.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">The standard is not exactly rocket science. Remnant evidence is better than tradition-creating evidence. Corroborated testimony is better than uncorroborated testimony. Forensic evidence is better than hearsay.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">Our inability to be skeptical, to think critically, to ask questions, to compare and contrast, leads to the perpetuation of one urban legend after another, be it&nbsp;<a href="https://richardlangworth.com/coventry">Churchill and Coventry</a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/lusitania-sinking-1915/">Churchill and the&nbsp;<em>Lusitania</em></a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/churchill-knew-about-pearl-harbor/">Churchill and Pearl Harbor</a>, etc. Hard thinking, critical analysis, and skepticism are the only ways to challenge this rubbish. I sometimes despair. Vent off.<sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftn17" name="_ftnref17">17</a></sup></p>
<h3><strong>Endnotes</strong></h3>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1">1</a>&nbsp;</sup>Churchill at St. Barabas School, Woodford, 6 September 1952, in Richard M. Langworth, ed.,&nbsp;<em>Churchill by Himself&nbsp;</em>(New York, Rosetta, 2015), 332-33.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref2" name="_ftn2">2</a>&nbsp;</sup>Louis Spears,&nbsp;<em>Assignment to Catastrophe</em>, 1 vol. ed., London, Reprint Society 1956, 19.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref3" name="_ftn3">3</a>&nbsp;</sup>Peter Fleming,&nbsp;<em>Invasion 1940</em>&nbsp;(London: Rupert Hart Davis, 1956), 47.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref4" name="_ftn4">4</a>&nbsp;</sup>Spears, 43. Harold Macmillan,&nbsp;<em>The Blast of War 1939-45</em>&nbsp;(London: Macmillan, 1967), 8.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref5" name="_ftn5">5</a>&nbsp;</sup>Macmillan, ibid. William Manchester,&nbsp;<em>The Last Lion, Winston Spencer Churchill,&nbsp;</em>vol. 2,&nbsp;<em>Alone 1932-1940</em>&nbsp;(Boston: Little Brown, 1988), 578. Lynne Olson,&nbsp;<em>Troublesome Young Men&nbsp;</em>(New York: Farrar, Straus &amp; Giroux, 2007), 224.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref6" name="_ftn6">6</a>&nbsp;</sup>John Charmley,&nbsp;<em>Churchill: The End of Glory</em>&nbsp;(Sevenoaks: Hodder &amp; Stoughton, 1993), 374.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref7" name="_ftn7">7</a>&nbsp;</sup>Leopold Amery,&nbsp;<em>My Political Life,&nbsp;</em>vol. 3,&nbsp;<em>The Unforgiving Years 1929-1940&nbsp;</em>(London: Hutchinson, 1955), 330.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref8" name="_ftn8">8</a>&nbsp;</sup>John Barnes &amp; David Amery Nicolson<em>, The Leo Amery Diaries</em>, vol. 2,&nbsp;<em>Empire at Bay 1930-45</em>&nbsp;(London: Hutchinson, 1988), 559-60.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref9" name="_ftn9">9</a>&nbsp;</sup>Langworth, 261.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref10" name="_ftn10">10</a>&nbsp;</sup>Cecil King,&nbsp;<em>With Malice Toward None: A War Diary</em>&nbsp;(London: Sidgwick &amp; Jackson, 1970), 2.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref11" name="_ftn11">11</a>&nbsp;</sup>Charmley, 374.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref12" name="_ftn12">12</a>&nbsp;</sup>Martin Gilbert,&nbsp;<em>Winston S. Churchill,&nbsp;</em>vol. 6,&nbsp;<em>Finest Hour 1939-1941</em>&nbsp;(Hillsdale, Mich.: Hillsdale College Press, 2011), 498.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref13" name="_ftn13">13</a>&nbsp;</sup>Air Ministry communiqué (Associated Press),&nbsp;<em>The New York Times</em>, 11 September 1940, 1.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref14" name="_ftn14">14</a>&nbsp;</sup>Gilbert, 711. For a detailed description of Operation Razzle, see the blogsite&nbsp;<a href="https://www.berlinluftterror.com/blog/razzles-september-1940">Berlin LuftTerror</a>, a balanced account of the air war against Germany (accessed 6 September 2024).</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref15" name="_ftn15">15</a>&nbsp;</sup>BerlinLuftTerror, ibid.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref16" name="_ftn16">16</a>&nbsp;</sup>Gilbert, 1123-24.</p>
<p><sup><a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/black-forest-firebombing/#_ftnref17" name="_ftn17">17</a>&nbsp;</sup>Ron Helgemo, “A Review of&nbsp;<em>Betrayal at Pearl Harbor</em>&nbsp;by the History Channel, 7 December 1998, in&nbsp;<em>Finest Hour&nbsp;</em>101, Winter 1998-99.</p>
<h3>Audio and video</h3>
<p>Andrew Roberts Debunks the Myths on&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ep-142-andrew-roberts-debunks-darryl-cooper-on-winston/id1589160645?i=1000669003119">School of War.</a></p>
<p>Rafal Heydel-Mankoo, “War Over Churchill” on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S509Zdcu2VM">Outspoken</a>.</p>
<h3><strong>Related reading</strong></h3>
<p>Victor Davis Hanson, <a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/churchill-cooper-ww2/">“The Truth About World War II,”</a> 2024 (<em>Free Press</em>)</p>
<p>Andrew Roberts,&nbsp;<a href="https://freebeacon.com/culture/no-churchill-was-not-the-villain/">“No, Churchill was Not the Villain,”</a>&nbsp;2024 (<em>Washington Free Beacon</em>).</p>
<p>Michael McMenamin,&nbsp;<a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/raico-libertarian-critique/">“Rumbles on the Right: The Raico Case Against Churchill,”</a>&nbsp;2022.</p>
<p>Richard M. Langworth,&nbsp;<a href="https://richardlangworth.com/buchanan-unnecessary-war">“Pat Buchanan and the Art of the Selective Quote,”</a>&nbsp;2023.</p>
<p>Herbert Anderson,&nbsp;<a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/otto-english-ten-lies/">“A New Gospel of Churchill Perfidy by Otto English,”</a>&nbsp;2022.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Churchill wrote of a visit to blitzed London:  "When we got back into the car, a harsher mood swept over this haggard crowd. 'Give it ’em back,' they cried, and, 'Let them have it too.' I undertook forthwith to see that their wishes were carried out; and this promise was certainly kept." On the other hand, alone among Allied leaders, Churchill said, after being shown the results of one particularly gruesome raid, “Are we beasts? Are we taking this too far?” He said the decision to bomb Dresden was "a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing."]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3 style="padding-left: 40px;">Q: Churchill’s involvement</h3>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">“Did Winston Churchill influence the decision to bomb German cities so badly at end of the Second World War? What role did he have in appointing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Arthur_Harris,_1st_Baronet">Sir Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris</a> to lead Bomber Command? Did he give a secret order to ‘bomb the hell out of them’? Did he exhibit this attitude in his speeches? <strong>(Updated and reposted, 31 May 2018.)</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://richardlangworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/HarrisStamp.jpg"><img decoding="async" class="alignleft wp-image-2807 size-medium" src="https://richardlangworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/HarrisStamp-300x298.jpg" alt="bomb" width="300" height="298" srcset="http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/HarrisStamp-300x298.jpg 300w, http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/HarrisStamp-150x150.jpg 150w, http://localhost:8080/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/HarrisStamp.jpg 578w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px"></a></p>
<h3>A: Quote unsubstantiated</h3>
<p>General Harris was a military appointment, though supported by Churchill.&nbsp; For many months after Russia was attacked, bombing was the only “second front” Britain could offer. The Allies were losing everywhere and Stalin was clamoring for the Anglo-Americans to attack. Efforts to bomb Germany continued through early 1945.</p>
<p>I can find no reference to the quotation, “bomb the hell out of them.” But Churchill&nbsp;felt entirely within rights to bomb them back after attacks on London, Coventry and other cities. London was suffering nightly bombing raids in September 1940. Churchill gave an order for 100 heavy bombers to attack Berlin. “Let ’em have it,” he said. “Remember this. Never maltreat the enemy by halves.”</p>
<p>He was also responding to his fellow citizens. Recalling in his war memoirs a visit to a devastated part of London, he wrote:&nbsp; “When we got back into the car, a harsher mood swept over this haggard crowd. ‘Give it ’em back,’ they cried, and, ‘Let them have it too.’ I undertook forthwith to see that their wishes were carried out; and this promise was certainly kept.”</p>
<h3>“Serious Query”</h3>
<p>On the other hand, alone among Allied leaders, Churchill said, after being shown the results of one particularly gruesome raid, “Are we beasts? Are we taking this too far?” He said the decision to bomb Dresden was “a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing.” Neither Roosevelt nor Stalin ever expressed qualms about the practice.</p>
<p>It is important to remember that the request to bomb Dresden, and several other targets, was made by the Soviet high command. Deputy Prime Minister Attlee authorized the Dresden raid while Churchill was en route to Yalta in February 1945. Stalin’s first question to Churchill upon his arrival in Yalta was, “Why haven’t you bombed Dresden?”</p>
<h3>More information</h3>
<p>A good documentary on Harris, which plays history mostly straight, was produced by the BBC some years ago and is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPMnNF5pcUk">viewable on Youtube</a>.</p>
<p>For more on bombing, scroll to comments below and see also <a href="https://richardlangworth.com/churchill-bombing-dresden">“The Myth of Dresden and ‘Revenge Firebombing.'”</a></p>
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