War and Shame

by Richard M. Langworth on 2 February 2009

What did Churchill say about those who trade honor for peace hav­ing in nei­ther in the end? —D.B.

There are two likely quo­ta­tions. The first was Churchill in a let­ter to Lloyd George on 13 August 1938, just before the Munich Con­fer­ence:

I think we shall have to choose in the next few weeks between war and shame, and I have very lit­tle doubt what the deci­sion will be.

Ref­er­ence is Churchill by Him­self, page 256, quot­ing Mar­tin Gilbert, ed., Win­ston S. Churchill, Com­pan­ion Vol­ume V Part 3, The Com­ing of War 1936-1939 (Lon­don: Heine­mann 1982), page 1117.)

A month later, Churchill wrote to his friend Lord Moyne, explain­ing why a pro­posed visit to Moyne in Antigua might be prob­lem­atic. From Churchill by Him­self, page 257, Gilbert page 1155:

We seem to be very near the bleak choice between War and Shame. My feel­ing is that we shall choose Shame, and then have War thrown in a lit­tle later on even more adverse terms than at present.

Inci­den­tally, the date on WSC’s let­ter to Lord Moyne was was Sep­tem­ber 11th.

It is often believed that Churchill addressed a sim­i­lar remark to Neville Cham­ber­lain directly after Munich. It appears not so. William Manchester’s The Last Lion, vol. 2, which quotes the Moyne remark on page 334, goes on to state (364):

In almost any gath­er­ing [after Munich] it would have been indis­creet to remark…’Churchill says the gov­ern­ment had to choose between war and shame. They chose shame. They will get war too.’

To end with a “Red Her­ring,” Churchill is some­times cred­ited in this con­text with: ”They that can give up essen­tial lib­erty to obtain a lit­tle tem­po­rary safety deserve nei­ther lib­erty nor safety.” This was tracked to Ben­jamin Franklin by The Churchill Cen­tre. Accord­ing to Bartlett’s, this was a com­mon state­ment dur­ing the Amer­i­can Rev­o­lu­tion, dat­ing as early as 1755. If Churchill ever used it, he was quot­ing Franklin.

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Azmi Güran November 22, 2010 at 04:36

Churchills’s defeat at Gallipoli in 1915 was the greatest pestige loss in his career. In both World Wars it was his idea to use the deadly gas. Fortunately not used. But also it was his idea to introduce the military aid to Turkey against the Stalin menace. He certainly was a leader, who recognized the nazi and communist danger in right time.

Richard M. Langworth November 22, 2010 at 09:07

See this link: http://richardlangworth.com/2009/05/oreilly-churchill-and-poison-gas/

Churchill was in favor of using poison gas in WW2 if the Germans used it first but unlike WW1, they did not.

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